SINN

[X vintage]

sinn 142 St II
Aν εχει κανεις περισσοτερες πληροφοριες για τιμες και ενδιαφεροντα χαρακτηρηστικα ας προσφερει τη γνωση του george πρεπει να νιωθεις μεγαλη περυφανια αυτη τη στιγμη ε?...(humor)

γιατι ρε γιωργο, λεμανια δεν φοραει??

no!!!!

George, το ρολόι στην φωτό του φίλου mitsman ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ το 142STii (που φοράει τον module cal. 2070 της Dubois Depraz) αλλά ένα από τα τελευταία 142ST με integrated bracelet (και Lemania cal. 5100 φυσικά).

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[mitsman]

George, το ρολόι στην φωτό του φίλου mitsman ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ το 142STii (που φοράει τον module cal. 2070 της Dubois Depraz) αλλά ένα από τα τελευταία 142ST με integrated bracelet (και Lemania cal. 5100 φυσικά).

Η φωτο ειναι λοιπον δικο μου λαθος...γιατι το ρολοι που ειδα στο σαιτ της sinn δεν εχει τη λεμανια αλλα  cal. 2070 της Dubois Depraz Και με 1700€ που ειδα οτι κανει μαλλον δεν ειναι καλο deal.... Eιναι πανεμορφο ομως και μου θυμισε τους χρονογραφους σου Χ Γι αυτο το ζαχαρωνα....
Ομολογω ομως οτι και το αλλο κομματι με την 7750 στα 1000€ φαινεται καλη αγορα

[george_]

Ναι δεν ειναι!Οι διαφορες ειναι στα subdials και βγαζουν ματι!Η ερωτηση ηταν για το 142STii και πανω σε αυτο του απαντησα.

[george_]

Why doesn't the Sinn 142 St II have more fans?



The venerable Sinn 142 with Lemania 5100 movement was one of the classics in the Sinn model range and many Sinn fans were disappointed when Lemania terminated production of the 5100, forcing Sinn to halt production of this model.

πολυ εκλαψαν...

Sinn must have felt likewise, because in 2006 they introduced the Sinn 142 St II, with Dubois-Depraz 2070 movement based on the ETA 2892.
But after some initial attention and hoopla this watch is not much talked about anymore.


It survived the last two price hikes without increment, exists in one version (with either integrated metal bracelet or leather strap) only, and - like the legendary Ford Model T - comes with virtually no options. This all seems to indicate that the 142 ST II may not be the fastest moving Sinn model.

Like its predecessor, the 142 St II kept the central chronograph minute hand and - with the exception of the date - is remarkably easy to read. Esthetically, it has a perfect symmetry that is not interrupted by date and day windows, and overall it retained the 70's feel and charm of the original 142.

το νεο ειναι πανασχημο

Chuck Maddox was a big fan of the Lemania 5100 movement and has frequently written about its pillar-based construction and robustness, although a watchmaker in Toronto did once comment that the 5100 has some rather small and under-dimensioned parts and might have benefitted from beefier and sturdier components like in the competing Valjoux 7750 movement. Be that as it may, for me one of the main attractions of the 142 was always the central chronograph minute counter that eliminated Valjoux 7750-style (30 minute chronograph minute counter) guesswork whether the elapsed time was 8 hours and 12 minutes, or 8 hours 42 minutes. My 142 St II is built like a tank, remarkably accurate, luminescence is second to none, despite its size and 757-like weight it sits very comfortably on the wrist, and I do appreciate the ease with which I can read elapsed time.




So why is the 142 St II not more popular?


I've eyed the 142 St II several times and considered one, but the date display just doesn't do it for me on this watch. I was used to the day/date display of the 5100. I could have lived with a date-only window though.

Furthermore I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with Sinn. Some people maybe remember that several years ago they announced they are developing their own modification of the 7750 with a central chrono minute hand, the SZ01. I wonder whether they'll ever finish this project.

They have come out with loads of new stuff since then, but nothing was ever heard of the SZ01 again. For me this was quite a disappointment. I had hoped that one day they would revive the 156 with their new movement. Or the EZM1 - instead they did a quite over-hyped "last production run". Looks like it was not meant to be.

Oh well ... I'm wearing a Guinand now. And occasionally my Tutimas ... with the 5100 ...


http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=261858

[george_]

πολυ ενδιαφερον

μια μεγαλη αποτυχια της SINN.ακομα περιμενουνε την αλλαγη στην 7750...εδω και χρονιαααααααααα

αλλα μια ειναι η 5100

[Nanagno]

Χαλβαδιάζω αυτό το μωρό για καθημερινό ρολόι, τι λέτε???

να το χτυπήσω έχει και το μπρασελέ του...και είναι όλα NOS.




ή το Sinn 157 Ti Lemania 5100???

έχω μπερδευτεί λιγάκι...μου αρέσει και το Fortis B42 Lemania 5100....pls H E L P...

[GiannisH]

Είχα έρθει σ'αυτό το δίλημα.....αν αποφάσιζα τώρα θα έπαιρνα Fortis B42 Lemania 5100

[blackbird]

To θέμα δεν είναι αν θα το πάρεις, αλλά για πόσο θα το κρατήσεις. 

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[Nanagno]

To θέμα δεν είναι αν θα το πάρεις, αλλά για πόσο θα το κρατήσεις. 

Φιλικά
Δημήτρης

Γιατί με πληγώνεις? και ούτε βοηθάς! 

[mitsman]

Fortis 
Aλλα που να το βρεις....

[mantilas]

Χαλβαδιάζω αυτό το μωρό για καθημερινό ρολόι, τι λέτε???

να το χτυπήσω έχει και το μπρασελέ του...και είναι όλα NOS.




ή το Sinn 157 Ti Lemania 5100???

έχω μπερδευτεί λιγάκι...μου αρέσει και το Fortis B42 Lemania 5100....pls H E L P...

ΑΥΤΟ ΜΕ 1000.

[Nanagno]

ΑΥΤΟ ΜΕ 1000.

Και τώρα στην αναμονή παραλαβής...!!!

[SER]

Sinn πολυ ομορφο και το Fortis δηλαδη αλλα προτιμω το πρωτο

[george_]

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The GSG 9 is divided into 3 sections, 1./GSG 9 (anti-terrorism
conventional) 2./GSG 9 (maritime counter-terrorism) and 3./GSG 9
(Counterterrorism air), each of which has a training and
development commensurate with their final task. The exact number is unknown
members of the body, but estimates are around 250 men aged
three groups.
The GSG 9 is based in Sankt Augustin-Hangelar (Bonn). There
conducting operations training special police units
Member states of the European Union (EU) as well as training
and international competitions between the various special forces
world, as the Special Air Service (SAS) British Panel
Operations (GEO) SEAL Spanish or American.



Twenty GSG 9 men went into action, snipers
team, stationed in strategic locations where they could see through
their telescopic sights any movement on the plane, reported that
four terrorists (two men and two women) were
scattered by the device. To solve this problem
strategic Somali soldiers started a fire about 200 m in
front of the cabin. Terrorists bitten the bait, with the four
objectives in the cockpit watching the unexpected fire, two agents
SAS forced an emergency entrance and pulled into the cabin
stun grenades (Flashbang), leaving the terrorists
blinded and stunned, took time to enter the GSG 9
on the plane without the danger of fire.

Once inside, the first terrorist who fired blindly, was
folded with an accurate shot gun to his head, which killed
moment, a second terrorist ran to the bathroom and was reached
by an MP5 submachine gun blast that left her seriously injured. With
back of the plane completely secured, began evacuating
of the hostages. The two terrorists who were dug in
cab, refusing to surrender and even returning many of the shells
thrown to them, the GSG 9 tested their training
aim, and killed the two terrorists in two separate shootings
head. Any hostage was not injured, nor any member of the GSG 9, three
terrorists were killed in the plane, one survived and could be judged.
The mission was a success.



foroderolojes

[george_]

GSG9: Sinn EZM1,EZM2,UX

αλλα δεν ξερω

[george_]

σπανια εκδοση ΕΖΜ1

 EZM1 ZUZ & ZTZ

[konakis]

δυνατό ,πολύ δυνατό (το EZM1)

[elio]

το ΕΖΜ1 ειναι ρολογαρα! Απλα ενα απο τα καλυτερα (κατα την ταπεινη μου γνωμη) tool ρολογια που εχουν βγει!

με την αγορα του  GSG9 παιρνεις και MP5K δωρο? χα χα χα


elio

[blackbird]

Θέλω να βρω 3Η καντράν και δείκτες για το δικό μου, αλλά μια φορά όλη κι όλη είδα να πουλιούνται. Ζητούσαν κι ένα χιλιάρικο.

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[george_]

καλες οι λεμανιες και τα αυτοματα ,αλλα το ρολοι που επαιξε πιο πολυ,ηταν το ΕΖΜ2...







In the late 1990’s Sinn released a new line of watches with the EZM moniker. EZM stands for Einsatz Zeit Messer, which translates to English as Mission Timer. These watches were designed to be issued as tool watches to the German special police forces and each watch (EZM1 through EZM4) had different functionality to suit its intended special force’s needs. The range consisted of the custom special combatant (EZM1), the border guard diver unit (EZM2), the police special force (EZM3), and the fire fighting rescue unit (EZM4).  Sinn used different movements (Quartz, Automatic) and different watch styles (Diver, Chronograph) to create this range of tough, non-nonsense watches - in this article we will focus on the EZM2.



Sinn decided to build a watch based on their existing 403 model which utilised a quartz movement (ETA 955.612) with 7 year battery life. Needless to say, this helped keep the price affordable, but don’t confuse this as some kind of cheap battery powered watch. The EZM2 is shock resistant and anti-magnetic and the case is filled with pure silicone oil thereby providing optimum visibility at any angle, especially when submerged. The oil also enables the watch to withstand depth pressures that would crush ordinary watches. Sinn calculate that the watch could withstand depths of 11,000 ft / 5000m,]


The EZM2 is available in two bezel styles - A plain silver coloured bezel and a more common diving style anodised black bezel. It is understood that both are made of a Titanium base. Both are uni-directional, have 60 clicks and are easy to grip with gloves as the edge is slightly proud of the case sides.


Specifications:
 
•    Sinn catalogue number ‘403.[serial number of the watch]’
•    ETA 955.612 quartz movement
•    Quick-set date
•    Shock-resistant
•    Anti-magnetic
•    Pure Silicone-oil filled case with membrane at rear to allow for temperature change compensation
•    Extreme readability underwater from any angle due to the oil-filling
•    Left hand side crown prevents snagging and allows easier hand movement
•    Media-blasted stainless steel case
•    Sapphire crystal
•    Uni-directional elapsed time bezel
•    Luminous hands and markings
•    Water Resistant to practically any depth
•    Stainless steel bracelet with safety lock and a divers-extension
•    Width 41 mm excluding crown
•    Width 45 mm including crown
•    Lug to lug 47 mm
•    Thickness is 11.4 mm
•    Weight of watch head is 70 grammes
Due to the oil filled case, changing the battery in these watches should not be attempted at home or even by the local battery change kiosk, instead the watch will need to be returned to Sinn in Germany. At that time Sinn also undertake to replace the dial and hands as the silicone oil is corrosive to the luminous material and after the life of a battery (approx. 7 years) the luminous properties will be past their best. One issue with this is that the early, hence collectable, ‘3H’ marked dial is often replaced with the later non-3H marked dial. It is understood that this earlier dial is now discontinued and Sinn may leave the original 3H dial on the watch during the battery change / service only by special request. As mentioned earlier Sinn have recently changed their oil formula and it is now ‘dial friendly’.
More information and the history of the GSG-9 can be found here:
http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/germany/gsg9/page1.html
 

Information from Sinn, April 2004

I received a lengthy, precise and exhaustive answer from Sinn concerning the question of the air bubble in the silicone-filled watches (403 Hydro, EZM 2 - both now discontinued - and UX/EZM 2B for Sinn, but also Bell&Ross Hydromax).

I am no technical expert, and some things may well be lost in translation, but I'll try to summarize the reply of their R&D department (I must say that I'll give them great credit for having an admittedly technical question answered by an engineer on their R&D staff). here it is:

- Any oil will absorb dissolved gases.
- When a watch case is filled, there is no gas bubble.
- As the ambient temperature drops, the oil filling contracts more than the volume of the watchcase. This phenomenon is compensated to a degree by the membrane back of the watchcase.
- When the membrane reaches the end of its flexibility, however, a vacuum bubble forms in the oil.
- The vacuum bubble is progressively filled with dissolved gases from the oil, and also with air which continually diffuses into the case (no wristwatch is completely air-/gasproof).
- As the ambient temperature increases again, the pressure inside the watch increases as well. The oil re-absorbs some, but not all of the gases in the gas bubble. This is because due to the diffused air, the total mass of the filling is more than it was before the ambient temperature dropped.
- Especially as this process is repeated, a gas/air bubble can form which is no longer dissolved as the ambient temperature increases.
- To minimize the effect - or to prolong the time until such a bubble forms - the initial oil-filling is currently done at a slight over-pressure (by manipulating the membrane caseback).
- The only way to get rid of the bubble, once it is stable at normal temperature, is to change the oil filling.
- Needless to say, the bubble does not affect the functioning of the watch in the least.

Please keep in mind that I have no technical expertise of my own, but that this is only a summary/translation of what Sinn are saying.
 

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Bezel colour and style is a personal choice but most agree that the black bezel suits the watch better. The luminous triangle is cemented in from above using a two stage glue and should not  fall out of the bezel. Strap options for the EZM2 were a waterproof sharkskin leather strap, rubber strap (latterly with a vanilla smell) or metal bracelet in the typical Sinn style.
Movement Specifications:
 
•    ETA 955.612 quartz movement
•    Frequency 32KHz
•    Diameter 25.6mm (11 ½ Lignes)
•    Height 4.5mm
•    CR2016 - 7 year Lithium battery
•    Hands Hr 1.20, Min .70, Sec .20
•    7 jewels
•    Anti magnetic to German DIN
•    Quick set date - uni-directional
•    Hacking


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